Interview with Elisa Alessandrini – Dennis Villelmi


Dennis Villelmi: Welcome to The Bees Are Dead, Miss Alessandrini.  Given the current political landscape in Italy, especially in light of Brexit, the recent presidential election in France and the forthcoming election in Germany, we’re indeed privileged to have one of the frontline political soldiers here to talk with us.

Elisa Alessandrini: Thanks, dear friends.  It’s important for us Italians to inform other countries about our current situation. Italy is facing one of the most difficult periods in its history: the unemployment rate is 37%, illegal immigration from Africa is unstoppable and the participation in the European Union has become an unsustainable burden for us. Since the Brexit vote, the Italian people have been claiming a referendum to leave the Eurozone. Brussels doesn’t help us but the Italian government isn’t able to say no to its dictates and keeps on pursuing a pro-European policy.

DV: You’re the municipal spokeswoman for Movimento Nazionale per la Sovranità (National Movement for Sovereignty); which municipality do you represent and how long have you been active in politics?

EA: I’m the spokeswoman for MNS in the Municipio IV of Rome.  A municipality is an administrative area which groups several neighborhoods, and my municipality includes the suburbs in the east of Rome.  We have a local circle whose President, Mr. Mario Codogni, has always been one of the cornerstones of policy in Rome.  This circle has existed for thirty years and has always distinguished itself in the social field supporting activities in favor of the retirees, the unemployed, the young and the weakest groups of society. I went into politics several years ago.  My passion for politics started at the university and became a life choice; I love my country and it angers me to see such a tragedy.

DV: If you would, give us the rundown of MNS.  What is the party’s agenda?

EA: MNS is a right-wing political party founded by Gianni Alemanno and Francesco Storace to reinstate the true values of country, identity, and especially the sovereignty Brussels would like to remove.  Now we’re dealing with the immigration emergency: since the fall of (Muammar) Gaddafi’s regime in Libya at the hands of NATO, and particularly France, Italy has been the target area of thousands of economic migrants crossing the Mediterranean from Africa everyday, encouraged by the fact that NGO ships will rescue them halfway.  Italy can’t deal with the massive immigration, but it has been abandoned by the other European countries which are simply closing their borders.  We can’t bear the costs of all that; moreover, we are at risk of being colonized.  Our birth rate is at a historical low but the Italian government doesn’t promote any family policy; instead, it prefers to increase the Italian population with African immigrants. We fear an ethnic replacement because of the lack of a more equal distribution of these people among EU member states.  That’s why MNS is pushing to stop the landings of migrants on Italian coasts: we can’t welcome the whole of Africa, that’s crazy.  We’re dealing also with the issue of unemployment which, as I said, affects half the Italian young.  Everybody keeps on chatting about it; we’ll make the difference with a great parade in Rome on October 14th to demand adequate answers from the government about youth unemployment and job insecurity.  The Italian economy must run again, we’re out of time.  This government is illegitimate and we ask for new elections right now.


DV: The MSN’s position on the immigration dilemma spotlights how “Mare Nostrum” has become a battleground, as it were; recently, the identitarian organization Defend Europe launched an effort to thwart the NGO’s and return African migrants back to the continent.  It claims that charitable NGO groups are actually violating Italy’s newly drafted maritime code of conduct.  Does the MSN support the initiatives of Defend Europe, or do you see it as an unwanted development that further underscores the need for both Parliament and the Italian Navy to take decisive action?

EA: At the ideological level, MNS supports every initiative to promote the sovereignty of Italy.  The fact that NGO’s rescue migrants off the coast of Libya and carry them systematically to Italian ports is annoying because most NGO ships fly flags of other countries.  Allegedly, Defend Europe has been a sounding board for the general discontent about the disastrous way in which the migration flux has been managed; but only the government can save what can be saved from the disaster this has caused.

DV: As well as Italy, other members of the European Union have been wrestling with large, sequent waves of migrants from both Africa and the Middle East.  Prime Minister Viktor Orban of Hungary and his ruling Fidesz Party made headlines with their campaign against billionaire investor George Soros, a man never a stranger to controversy and who is the NGO’s chief benefactor, whom they blame for the crisis.  Would you agree with Orban’s assertion that Soros is working in concert with Brussels (Belgium) to bring Europe down?

EA:  We don’t think Soros and Brussels have plotted about that.  According to MSN’s Secretary, Gianni Alemanno, immigrationist policies are doubly dangerous because they don’t help the developing countries in their progress and they weaken the identity of the countries of destination; so he agrees with Orban who fights against Soros’ interference in facilitating Europe’s disintegration.  I think anyone would put a stop to the entries at home, just as it happens in any other country in the world; however, Europe allows everyone to get in without any selection.  The Italian government has been trying to persuade us of the need for migrants to build up the population (as I said, in Italy the birth rate is very low) for months; it claims migrants  will contribute decisively to our social security, too.  It is clear that this government is going to replace us at an ethnic level and on the labour market.

DV: Italy is the third largest economy in the EU, and yet, it would appear the regime in Brussels is relegating your country to the status of a national reservation for the displaced.  If this were the case, who would benefit from Italy’s downfall and how?

EA: Italy is a very attractive country thanks to its resources: we could have a leading position in the tourism and agrifood sectors; however, a policy exploiting our potential has never been adopted, and the EU has been limiting our production in various fields (think of the community legislation about agriculture and fishing, for example) and conducting a trade war against our AOC products..  The strongest European countries such as France and Germany pass on the consequences of globalisation on the weakest ones without realizing that Italy’s collapse, for instance, will have a domino effect throughout the Eurozone.


DV: Aside from Brussels’ apathy, the incessant influx of immigrants, and high unemployment, what other centrifugal forces are at work in Italy today?  I ask this question with particular regard to organized crime.  There’s the saying in Sicily that “if there were money in it, the Mafia would sell cancer.”  Could the Mafia and other criminal syndicates bee facilitating these migrations in order to cull from them the nefarious elements who would assist their criminal activity?

EA: There is a real risk that the migration flux may swell the ranks of the criminal organizations, especially for what concerns the drug dealing.  It seems that many drug deals have already been handled by foreigners.  It is inevitable that social degradation begets illegal activities, that’s why we say no to the uncontrolled immigration.  We must know who these people are and what they do here; it’s a matter of public safety.  Our Secretary Gianni Alemanno has several times drawn attention to the fact that uncontrolled immigration provides cheap labour often ited by unscrupulous employers, not to mention those pseudo-humanitarian organizations which speculate on the reception of migrants.

DV: What  is the National Movement’s plan of action against organized crime?  Is there still a significant Mafia presence in Rome  and who is at fault for that?

EA: After two years of media blasting, Rome is declared to be out of the hands of the Mafia; the crimes that are attributed to defendants during trials haven’t been judged as Mafia-style crimes.  The Mafia exist only if the state apparatus isn’t strong enough, so the only way to fight it is exercising stringent controls and ensuring social welfare.

DV: What about the Vatican: is it seen by MNS as part of the solution, or is it an obstacle to Italy’s renewal?

EA: The Vatican could help solve Italy’s problems if it began to exercise its spiritual function without interfering in the political sphere.  The Church seems to be in favor of this uncontrolled immigration, showing no solidarity with five million Italians who are in conditions of absolute poverty, while the Italian government would rather cuddle the migrants.  We consider Christianity as one of the essential elements of our national identity, and we regret that the Vatican doesn’t see the irrationality of welcoming an entire continent; inter alia, the Vatican is not found to have opened the door to the migrants.  Lastly, we must say that a huge number of migrants are Muslim, so they’re at risk of that cultural clash which has caused a terroristic escalation in France and the UK.  The Church must go back to being the bastion of the occidental culture as soon as possible; our very survival depends on it, too.


DV: The MSN’s platform as you’ve explained it thus far is encapsulated by what is obviously your party’s rallying cry; “No Ius Soli.”  For non-Italian speaking readers, tell us what this slogan means; how was it born and how potent has it proven to be with Italian voters?

EA: ‘Ius soli’ is a Latin term meaning “right of the soil.”  It is the right of anyone born in the territory of the State to nationality or citizenship.  It is applied in the Americas because they’re under-populated, while almost all States in Europe grant citizenship at birth based upon the principle of ‘Ius sanguinis’, that is, “right of blood” in which citizenship is inherited through the parents, not by birthplace.  In Italy, the ‘Ius soli’ is applied only for the children who were born in our country of unknown or stateless parents, or in case the children are found in our country and their parents are unknown; in any other case, ‘Ius sanguinis’ applies.  The current Italian government wants to pass ‘Ius soli,’ but this would be the end of our nation since we’ve been dealing with the immigration emergency for more than one year.  If the ‘Ius soli” is passed, migrants from everywhere will come to give birth here in order to obtain the Italian citizenship for their children and Italy will become the delivery room for Europe!  We already have a law allowing foreigners born in Italy to apply for Italian citizenship at the age of 18, and that is more than enough.  In fact, citizenship costs the State because it grants legal cover to its citizens who are also living abroad, so you can imagine what would happen if all these “new Italians”  (it seems an industrial production) returned to their countries of origin one day.  Most Italians don’t want ‘Ius soli.’  Citizenship can’t be a gift, and MNS doesn’t agree at all with it for the reason I’ve explained.  The ‘Ius soli’ would benefit only the Democratic Party in power which is seeking to promote its own political background; but we’ll keep fighting against this outrage.

DV: In the fourth chapter of his final book, “Ride The Tiger,” Julius Evola called the Italian youth of his day the generazione delle macerie, “the generation of rubble,” juveniles who were in nihilistic peril and who lacked a true identity and objective. Do you think this has changed?  Is Italy’s youth now more politically conscious, pulling themselves up from the rubble, so to speak?

EA: Italian youths are only partially aware of what is happening.  Some of them are wrapped in cotton wool and don’t experience the social hardship; they aren’t worried about unemployment not because their parents give them pocket money; they don’t know the degradation of the suburbs because they don’t take the buses full of illegal immigrants and street thugs.  They don’t know what it means not to have money to pay a doctor.  But luckily, there are also those I call, “the sons of the people,” the ones who’ve seen since childhood their parents fighting to make ends meet, without too many luxuries.  My family comes from the working class; I remember vividly the social struggles of the past decades and I’ve chosen to continue in this vein, but not everyone has built on what their parents  have experienced.  We must raise awareness in the civic, patriotic, social and moral domains, before the rubble traps us.

DV: August 19th of this year marks the 2,003rd anniversary of the death of Augustus Caesar.  Augustus has been portrayed by modern scholarship as having been a prototypical Italian nationalist who unified the Italy of his age in the face of warring factions at home, and hostility from abroad, viz. Egypt and Parthia (similar to Italy’s plight today.)  Besides Augustus, what other figures from Italy’s venerable and storied past should Italians look to for inspiration, both personally and socially?

EA: Over the centuries many historical figures have done honor to our country by upholding Italian national pride: Vittorio Alfieri, Niccolò Machiavelli, Ugo Foscolo, Gabriele D’Annunzio, Dante, Giacomo Puccini, Nazario Sauro, Cesare Battisti and many others.  But Italy has a more modern hero, too: Fabrizio Quattrocchi.
Fabrizio was an Italian security officer working in Iraq in 2004 during the Italian peace mission; he was taken hostage by Islamist militants who forced him to dig his own grave and kneel beside it wearing a hood.  But he defied them by pulling off the hood and shouting, “I’ll show you how an Italian dies!”, before he was shot.  His fierceness makes him an example to us all; he stands as a symbol of national pride, so much so that he was posthumously honored with the Gold Medal for Civil Valor.  We’re all so proud of Fabrizio Quattrocchi, a real Italian who honored his country while dying.


DV: While we’re still on the subject of public figures Germany has had, of course, Angela Merkel, Russia, still has Vladimir Putin, France now has Emmanuel Macron; tell us in your own words why the world should pay attention to Francesco Storace and Gianni Alemanno? Are they Italy’s answer to the European Union?

EA: Gianni Alemanno and Francesco Storace have represented right-wing socialism since the 1970s. Right-wing socialism is a term referred to some right-wing movements supporting for social solidarity as opposed to individualism and laissez-faire economics. In Italy they are held in very high esteem: both were Ministers, Alemanno was also the mayor of Rome and Storace is a regional councillor in Lazio at present. I mean, they certainly have plenty to say! In our country the right-wing politics is fragmented and their partnership is an attempt to rebuild a united right-wing front advancing the interests of Italy against the diktats of Brussels. As right-wing leaders, Alemanno and Storace challenge finances and globalization, supporting the welfare State and the concept of nation in a traditional sense.

DV: Under their leadership, where would Italy stand in relation to geopolitics in general, and Russia and the United States in particular?

EA: Italy has belonged to the American orbit since 1945, that is the end of World War II. From the late 1960s until the early 1980s we had the Years of Lead, a period of social and political turmoil marked by a wave of both left-wing and right-wing incidents of political terrorism. During this period the USA frowned on the growth of the Italian Communist Party and supported the Christian Democrats; the only right-wing party was the Italian Social Movement (MSI) but there was a tendency to isolate it from the political scene. This Atlanticist choice has never changed even with the left-wing parties at the power. Of course we in the MNS prefer Trump to Obama, but we like Putin as a strong opponent of the EU. Sanctions imposed on Russia by the EU undermine Italian export, but Brussels doesn’t care about that. Europe doesn’t ally with Russia even to fight terrorism, and there is no confidence that the Italian Government is going to do it (it’s enslaved to Brussels). If MNS was at the power, Putin wouldn’t be our enemy.

DV: At long last, where do you believe you’ll see Italy? Will Italy ultimately give the world a new example to go by?

EA: Next February Italians will go to the polls to send this illegitimate Government home. We’ll do whatever it takes not to put the country back into their hands, they’ve already done too much damage; the winner will have to face a very great challenge, that is the reconstruction of the country. Italy has many problems, as I said, but the solutions are there, even if it means antagonising the EU ( I wish it collapsed soon!). I think Italy still has something to teach the world, but we must first provide a future to Italians. This is the principal example we must set.


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